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i believe the other type in there may be the Caulerpa nummularia, I am not looking to put it in my sump or keep the lights on 24 hours a day, so I definitely am looking at the add a herbivore option

well i have officially added the foxface into the decision, so I guess my question that remains is which has been better and more likely to eat caulerpa (toxifolia is one and the other after taking a much closer look today is not grape, i will do more research on it later) and any other nuisance algae between one of the bristletooth tangs, a yellow tang, and a foxface?

xenia, gsp, trumpet, several different types of monti sps, finger leather and mushroom leather. Yellow and hippo tang, pj cardinals, firefish, basic crab snail cuc, peppermint shrimp. Its not aggressive he and the tangs school together. I clip in some sheet algae every 3 days or so and I feed the tank 2 or 3 times a day mixed frozen and spectrum pellets. plus feed grape from the fug. Never been stung heard it like 3 to 4x a bee sting really havent seen to many post of people being stung

How often do you feed him and what does he like to eat? does it need to be offered seaweed like the tangs or no? how is it with other tank mates? have you ever been stung by it? what other tank mates and corals do you have with it?

My foxface hasnt touched any of my corals he has ate a few hermit crabs. He eats from my hand if I entice him to do so other than that he always keeps a safe distance form me during maintenance in the tank. I believe anything from the reef will pick at coral and inverts if not kept well feed.

well I need to make sure not to get anything that is going to nibble on my corals and I have heard the foxface will, and I am afraid of the rabbitfish as well I already have enough to worry about anytime i stick my arm in the tank to add anything venomous lol, but on the bright side my clownfish have learned to love me and no longer attack my arm unrelentingly but yeah thats why tangs were high on my list for a possible addition to combat this terror of the deep

my yellow tang and magnificent foxface both eat grape caulerpa I heard scribed rabbitfish eat it also and think arrow crabs but dont qoute me on that one. I dont have any experience with taxi but I think Marc runs it in his refugium maybe he will chime in here

yes melev you are right, it serves multiple functions and can could very easily attach more pvc to the top of that or even some hose to extent higher then the water reservoir and break siphon if i even decided to install a much larger holding tank that is.

snorkeler I already need to do that apparently some time in the night it either stuck or the switch itself is faulty i have yet to get around to figuring it out but all my reserved water was added to the tank.....just in case something like this happened i made sure there was only enough in reserve to go over the float to show me it happened but not enough to over flow the sump so needless to say I will be modifying it again soon, any info or suggestions will be well met

Very cool DIY ATO rig. Simple and functional. The only thing I'd suggest you add is another switch in parallel to stop the flow, just in case your primary one locks up. I'm a little paranoid about having single points of failure in critical elements like ATO (that can flood your room).

Outside of that, super congrats, very very nice and simple setup.

Oh, I see what you did. So the riser pipe fits down over the sump baffle to hold your float switch as well as to direct the top off water into the sump, still acting as a siphon break or at the very least to keep the tubing from flopping out, right?

The other end that is in the green bucket is taped together (as an anchor to weigh it down). If you have a drill you can make a hole through the PVC pipe to either insert the tubing or you can tie the tubing to the pipe with zip tie.

I just wanted to point out what isn't so obvious is that he's using the AquaLifter pump with this float switch. This is important because it uses low wattage. If you used a bigger pump like a Mag pump, the switch would fry due to too much load.

I have read only bad stories, but like i said the good ones aren't posted but have read an estimate of 75% of those angels being good but still having a chance to acquire a taste for corals down the road, but I would love to hear some success stories

What about the Flame Angel and the Coral Beauty? I see plenty of those angels in reef tanks. What does everyone think of them?

that does give me a bit of hope on two different fronts 1. the minimum tank size requirement and 2. how it well it lives with corals I am actually looking at possibly getting a Spotted Bristletooth Tang assuming I can find one at a decent price, I am also considering a couple other options at the same time but i do miss how much cleaning a bristletooth tang does for a tank

Cyano,

Not really adding much to the conversation here, but I wanted to give you hope. I have a friend who has a queen angel in his 90 gal. system. He's had it for 2 years - got it as a little inch long fish - and it's fat as can be, about 3-4 inches long. Best part, it eats nothing but the food he puts in the tank. It's hit or miss, but I'm sure if you have a good pet store like we do, you'll be able to get the store to trade with you 2 or 3 times until you get a good one that doesn't eat any of your coral.

-Jeremy

the angels was more of a "hopeful" I know not every angel destroys corals, but I have no idea what the percentage is for these guys. I think where I stand right now I am looking at just a couple of tang options the yellow tang (which I am still just trying to ensure will be ok size wise) and the tomini tang which is a brissletooth tang that stay fairly small (I have had a kole's tang before in here and they are closely related). After the tangs list it is safe to so I have considered now adding a pistol goby pair, finding a pistol here is the hard part, dispar or avansi anthias, and some type of peaceful fairy wrasse. Those are my considerations. Good luck keeping a bangai cardinal I have tried that a couple different times with no luck, I have heard from other locals that they usually loose 2 out of 3 bangai so i don't know if it just the supplier they have for here or if it is just the way those work but every time I have kept one it will look great and eat for about a week or two and then one day I find him laying on the bottom dead, make sure it is eating at the store before you take one home as well, it is hard to get them to start eating if not

If you're putting "will not damage corals" on your list then dwarf angels are out. I'm no expert on tangs at all. I'll leave that discussion for others. In a 75g without many other fish in there... you have tons and tons of options. I have a lawnmower blenny that I just love. Cardinals, wrasse, gobys, blennys, ect. Literally tons and tons of options. I really like to think of the fish I'm trying to keep before I ever setup anything.

So I know I want a few tangs in my big tank... so I'm going to go 120g plus... and likely go for a 120 long so it's 5' instead of 4'. I know I want some bangai (sorry google, I may be butchering the spelling) cardinals and anthias as well. Will snag some classic cromis as well. :-)

well the yellow clown goby will not pair with any pistol and the firefish is not actually a goby but a dartfish so unfortunately I have nothing that will pair with a pistol, but yes I have considered that in the past. I don't know what it is but i am just not attracted to any of the anthias they are pretty but it's like they just don't look like saltwater fish to me, I don't I know I am just weird sometimes I guess. Wrasse I have considered as well but I have read more downsides than upsides, just like how I read about the flame angel or coral beauty the people who have no problem don't have a reason to type things up about it but I have read that six lines can get aggressive towards peaceful fish. On a lighter note somehow I seem to have more rock after the move than I did before the move so I still have yet to get them stacked right. I have always loved angelfish and tangs but my tank size really limits my options according to some people and then according to other people and reading material they have different standards for minimum tank sizes, so are some people pushing the limits while others are being very generous? when you look at max sizes of a fish I have people that say "I never see them get that big so you don't need a tank that size" so thats where I stand right now with that I am happy to read any input about that as well

I would recomend a pistol shrimp for your goby. I know its not a fish, but the are such a hoot to watch! Also, have you considered throwing in a wrasse (like a flasher or six line) or an anthias? Just thought id throw those out there even though you want angels and such.

well if I do decide on doing any chromis it will not be the blue/green ones you see all the time I would prefer the lightning double bars or the orange line chromis just because I have heard they are little kinder to their own kind then the blue/green. I have a BTA in the tank with them but unfortunately they are already dedicated to a rock of zoos that I have in there and once they start hosting something it's hard to get them to switch to something else despite my best efforts. The zoos may be part of the problem actually because they are scattered throughout the left half of the tank and spread so fast that I had to separate the rock work to keep them away from my sps and lps. anyway I guess sometime soon I will pull out the old nano and try to get it cycling, I do not plan on using any sand or rock in that tank but may throw in a couple pieces just to give the clowns something to hide behind and plan on using water out of a water change from my 75 gallon in there to keep from having to wait for a major cycle

That bank tank sounds like a sweet idea. The chromis part may not pan out... they're big time pansies. (HA HA!!) I had three in my tank when I got my clown, and that tank is HIS, and he runs them chromis. Lol. It doesn't seem to bother them one bit though, cause that's how they roll. On the other hand, my six line wrasse and the clown could probably share the same piece of food, and not even notice. I know also that the clown in my girlfriends tank runs her blue chromis' around, but doesn't mess with the damsels hardly at all. But, you know, they all have their own personality. Just thought maybe my experiances could at least give you some backround info. Oh! Question.... do they have an anenome that they've adopted? Do you think that would make any difference at all? Hmm! I know my clown will go roll around in my duncan every now and again and it cracks me up! But, they both enjoy it. Ha ha.