Originally Posted by Mockery Glad everything is all right. Might sound like a funny question but how is the polyp extension on the corals? A local friend had this happen and he said that it his acros had crazy PE for the next few days, and everything thing looked really good. Well, I never have bad polyp extension. I don't really know what it is, but all of my corals have their polyps out, all of the time. I mostly have montis, but I still have some acros. A couple of acros I have are not doing so hot, and I am trying to figure out what is bothering them. I would say, for the most part, it really was not a major issure for any of the corals. They all seemed to be very happy with the precip. It did not phase them in the least. About the only thing that it did do, was it made me do a 20 gallon water change, which I rarely do.
Glad everything is all right. Might sound like a funny question but how is the polyp extension on the corals? A local friend had this happen and he said that it his acros had crazy PE for the next few days, and everything thing looked really good.
I was also looking for one down here around Biloxi-Ocean Springs area.
I've had that happen a few times. The cleanup is definitely no fun. Hope all your livestock made it through OK.
There are lots of theories on fish stocking. My personal preference, in both fresh and salt, is to have one center piece fish. Something large that everyone spots right away. Combined with a school of small active fish like tetras (fresh) or chromis, and a few small interesting fish like cories (fresh) or the small gobies, like Antenna/candy cane, Rainfords and hector's. One thing I love about Rainford's is that they're sand sifters and love to pick at hair algae. so I wouldn't recommend them for a pristine tank with a bare bottom
I put three emerald crabs in my 20g angled tank last year, and they devoured all the valonia, and then decimated some nuisance caularpa that had got in there as well. That was a huge surprise and a happy one at that.
Ya you right
Originally Posted by Jessy I always planned my fish based on color and where in the tank they dwell. I always liked anthias and wrasses, so my oranges were covered. I got a pygmy angel for blue, purple tang, .... you get the idea. You really should just go on saltwaterfish.com and look down their huge list and write down anything you ever thought you'd want. Then from this list start eliminating based on quantity, relationship, and color. Don't forget to add some nano gobies into your tank. One of my favorite things in my 150 was finding those tiny fish chilling in the rocks. I think I had at least 10 at one point. Great advice! I ain't real sure how I missed you on RC, but I can tell. I would have bugged the shit out of you, like I did Melev. Anyway. That is what I am talking about. I love anthias, but I dont particularly love the big ones that need to eat like 100 times a day. I also have to become more adept at picking out my wrasses. It seems that everytime I buy a wrasse it ends up being a convict I like the idea of the Nano Gobies, however I wonder if they will like it in a Barebottom. I tried a watchman goby, and I loved him, but he did not like it in my tank because of the vortechs. It may work better in a 4' x 3' tank, than it did in a 4' x .80' tank I would also love to have a little school of chromis, even though they are sort of a boring color. They always seemed to be fun little fish to look at Shoot, I just realized that I will not be able to pick out my fish by myself! I am color blind!
Originally Posted by melev With a 4' x 3' foot print, you've opened up your options fish-wise. You still have to remember that you've got a fixed water volume though, which will probably be around 200g total after rock & sand displacement. What do you envision? A few larger fish, or a bunch of little ones actively swimming in groupings? Will the tank be covered or open, because that would rule out jumpers? OPEN TOP TANK!!! YAY!!! For real though. I will probably put a large tang to go along with my current yellow tang, but other than that, I would really just like to have a lot of fish. I don't want any that are going to need feeding five times a day. I like to feed a couple of times throughout the day, but I don't want to lose my *** trying to feed fish. I think that I got too small of a sump for this tank, but I will have to live with it. At the time, I was going with the 120 instead of the 180. My new sump is 44 x 16 x 16. I wish it was 44 x 30 x 16, and maybe down the road, I can go that route. In the meantime I will be limited to the water volume you suggested, and an external skimmer (this helps some) Later, Nathan
Originally Posted by melev While I understand your pain when it comes to aiptasia, they are simply a pest that you have to want to nuke. My own tank has a few, but not a ton. I've had more in the past. If you've started your system with all new rock, you've got a perfect canvas. However, they can come in tiny on anything, including in a patch of zoanthids. Nature of the hobby, and why quarantine is a good way to watch for pests and work on them before introducing them to your reef. Well that is just it. I had a few, but not a ton too! I also found a pair of PEPPS that I thought had wiped them out. I mean they tore them up, but I think that my Twin Spot Wrasse was just about the right size to eat them, at the same time they were eating aptaisia. I have tried a couple of times since then, and the Pepps I have gotten did not want to eat the anemones. A good quarantine station is in my plans for the new fish room. I want to set it up just next to the tank. That way, its always on my mind, and I can empty water from the big tank, into the quarantine when I do water changes. I also have a very nice way of magnifying things, and now that I am more experieneced, I will definitely inspect things very well before I put them in the main tank Originally Posted by melev Bubble algae isn't that big a deal. Some fish eat it (Naso, Rabbitfish), and Emerald crabs will as well. Well, I hate it. That crap just gets in my way, and it ends up in my powerhead screens, etc. I have thought about getting some things to eat it, but as you will read in another one of my comments. I do not have room for fish right now, until I get into my new tank. I did not know about the Emeral crabs though. I am not a big fan of crabs. They always do everything, but what they are supposed to IME. Its been a long time since I had an emerald, so I might try one Originally Posted by melev I wouldn't bother with the water from the current system for the new one, since you want a clean start. For a simple cycle, just drop in one or two raw shrimp from the deli and let them rot for three days. Pull them out and throw them away. The cycle has commenced. That wouldn't be a good time to run a skimmer since you want the A-N-N cycle to process completely and without excessive delays. That's what I figured I would do. Just thought it might help in diversity Originally Posted by melev I've got a DIY article on burning aiptasia with a 12v cattle prod, and I just put up a method using lye. There are a number of commercial products you can use instead, like what you have. The hurdle is usually our laziness to pursue it. We get aggravated and nuke everything in sight to feel good about it, and then rest on our laurels. Instead, you need to be meticulous about them day after day until you can't find any more. I'm talking about myself as well when I state that we don't do this day in and day out - it's something I need to work on myself if I want to see my tank pest-free. Yes, I have read them. Great work!!! I think I will have the most fun with the prod if it comes to that. I am currently going to try the Berghia. As a matter of fact, i just went home at lunch and introduced them to my anemone collection Thanks for all the comments though Later, Nathan
Originally Posted by oldsaint "The only question is whether aptaisia can be transferred by way of just water" It is my understanding one way of reproduction is the release of planula larva. So yes it would be possible to suck up some and transfer them to the new tank. That is what I figured! It does give me hope though. Hope that I will be able to move my corals without the aptaisia. I will just have to put each one thru a series of water dips, and maybe that will remove any of the "planula larva"
I guess that's better than being separated by the Mississippi itself. hehe
While I understand your pain when it comes to aiptasia, they are simply a pest that you have to want to nuke. My own tank has a few, but not a ton. I've had more in the past. If you've started your system with all new rock, you've got a perfect canvas. However, they can come in tiny on anything, including in a patch of zoanthids. Nature of the hobby, and why quarantine is a good way to watch for pests and work on them before introducing them to your reef. Bubble algae isn't that big a deal. Some fish eat it (Naso, Rabbitfish), and Emerald crabs will as well. I wouldn't bother with the water from the current system for the new one, since you want a clean start. For a simple cycle, just drop in one or two raw shrimp from the deli and let them rot for three days. Pull them out and throw them away. The cycle has commenced. That wouldn't be a good time to run a skimmer since you want the A-N-N cycle to process completely and without excessive delays. I've got a DIY article on burning aiptasia with a 12v cattle prod, and I just put up a method using lye. There are a number of commercial products you can use instead, like what you have. The hurdle is usually our laziness to pursue it. We get aggravated and nuke everything in sight to feel good about it, and then rest on our laurels. Instead, you need to be meticulous about them day after day until you can't find any more. I'm talking about myself as well when I state that we don't do this day in and day out - it's something I need to work on myself if I want to see my tank pest-free.
With a 4' x 3' foot print, you've opened up your options fish-wise. You still have to remember that you've got a fixed water volume though, which will probably be around 200g total after rock & sand displacement. What do you envision? A few larger fish, or a bunch of little ones actively swimming in groupings? Will the tank be covered or open, because that would rule out jumpers?
I always planned my fish based on color and where in the tank they dwell. I always liked anthias and wrasses, so my oranges were covered. I got a pygmy angel for blue, purple tang, .... you get the idea. You really should just go on saltwaterfish.com and look down their huge list and write down anything you ever thought you'd want. Then from this list start eliminating based on quantity, relationship, and color. Don't forget to add some nano gobies into your tank. One of my favorite things in my 150 was finding those tiny fish chilling in the rocks. I think I had at least 10 at one point.
"The only question is whether aptaisia can be transferred by way of just water" It is my understanding one way of reproduction is the release of planula larva. So yes it would be possible to suck up some and transfer them to the new tank.
Also, I think it should help the corals transfer well if I use some of the water that they are currently in to cycle the new tank with. The whole idea being that, it will not be a cup or even a bucket of water. It would be many many gallons, as my current tank will be up the whole time that I am cycling the new tank. I will no doubt make many water changes during that time. The only question is whether aptaisia can be transferred by way of just water
I don't guess it is so much about not having any algae. That is unavoidable in my experience. The Aptaisia is what I am concerned with. The bubble algae is, to say the least, tricky! I dont think that if we were to start a tank, and then keep Fish and say dry rock, or some really good cured rock, that the bubble algae would all of a sudden start to grow. I firmly believe that it came form somewhere. I would say that it came on a rock that i bought at the LFS or a rock that I got back when I first started out, and did not lookk it over very well. I think that if I dont introduce the bubble algae to my new tank, then I should not have it. My big question is whether or not Corals that are not attached to rocks, will transfer it.
As far as cycling or seeding your new tank, I don't think using water from your old tank will do much. There might be, say a million or so bacteria in a cup of water. This is really nothing at all compared to the trillions and trillions of bacteria that are in a cup of live sand or are on live rock, but you are doing barebottom so I'm not sure what to suggest there. You could use ammonia or a couple hardy damsels to start your cycle. You could try washing or soaking your rocks in kalkwasser, that should get rid of most living things in them. I think there's a pretty good possibility that you will still see various algae blooms right after your tank is cycled, but I'm not sure bc I've never used dry rock before. As for the corals, there are various dips you can do to remove certain pests. Marc should have some good information there. Good luck and hope this helps some :-)
UHHHHHH nevermind!!!! I just found the Mississippi Reef Club. It has no members, and I don't know anything about it, but it sure would be cool if it existed. Also, I think a South Mississippi Reef Club would be awesome. It's a good stretch of highway that seperates North and South Mississippi
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